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Actually it’s a gut feeling
Thu, 9 Nov 2000 07:54:17 -0500
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Matt:
I have to comment on the women over 30+ topic. In my experience, women over
thirty are really in their prime. They are normally more adventurous, more
confident, more independent and more sexual than women a lot younger. While
women a lot younger normally don't want a relationship or to get married, if
you find a woman who is in her late 20's - early to mid 30's then normally
at this stage she will have worked out whether she wants to get married and
have a long term relationship or not in which case she will normally tell
you up front. I think women over 30 play a lot less games than younger
women and for me that is a big plus. Some of them really know how to look
after their bodies as well where as younger women will rely on their youth
and tend to be a bit lazier. Older women tend to be a lot more confident
and you can talk to them like an adult and if you don't like something or
have to be blunt they normally take it pretty well. And for the last 5
years (I am 29) I have always gone out with women who were 3-5 years older
than me. Anyway, that is my experience. Some of them I would have loved to
have gotten involved when they were 25 but I think maturity is a much more
favourable attribute than a hot body and shitty attitudes.
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Casey:
Some of you know me, I started with SS about 3 years ago. I've
expanded my reading and knowledge into NLP/Bandler, meditation,
self-hypnosis, and I'm now embarking on qui-gong. I have "cleaned out" my
self perceptions and self-image to the point where recently (last 6
months), women have responded to me commenting that I have "too much
self-confidence." So, my question is:
"What is the difference between very self confident and arrogant?"
I'm asking as it seems to be getting in the way of laying more women!
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Christopher:
> Bjorn:
> I find that alot of 30 year old females are looking for a husband
> and a guys with money. This is a major turn off for an alpha male»,
> especially one who does not want to supplicate by spending money
> on a woman.
Three things:
1) Bjorn selects for women who are aligned with his interests, which
center around short-term recreational relationships. Perfect, most
men could take a lesson from his book: go after the women with the
values most aligned with your interests.
2) Is spending money on a woman necessarily supplication? I don't
think so. Supplication is acting against your own self-interest for
the sake of female company; i.e., selling out for pussy. Some ways
I've not supplicated are:
a) Ignoring a brother's girlfriend, especially when she's clearly
indicated you can have her anytime you want (putting friends ahead
of pussy)
b) Not doing some chyck's work for her even when she begs you nicely
without getting an equal or higher value favor in return (putting
a high value on your time)
c) If you don't like her fingernails shredding your back when you do
her, tell her so, and drop her if she does it again. If you don't
like eating pussy, say so; if she complains, say good-bye.
(expecting her to know your values are and behave accordingly).
d) I said to one woman, "Sweetheart, I love you, but I'm not washing
your underwear, not tonight, not ever" (never doing anything for
her that you perceive as humiliating)
3) I'm not clear on what Bjorn means by Alpha Male». If he means being
the kind of man that many good-looking 20-24 year old girls can agree
upon as being of high status, then he's just doing the right thing to
attract that population. The biological model of the Alpha Male» (which I'm
more familiar with) is the male everyone respects and fears because
your ass _will_ get kicked if you cross him. Ultimately, being that
type of Alpha Male» is self-limiting. Yes, domination is fun, but being
that way all the time is like waving your sword at everything you see:
everything you see gets slashed to ribbons. Incidentally, successful
(long-term) Alpha Males among primates and simians in nature usually
have excellent political skills to go with their fighting abilities,
because cutting a few friends in on the action and keeping the females
happy is far and away easier than doing it by yourself, and you still
get to be in charge.
PS. Did you read that news report that some feminazis in Europe make
their boyfriends piss sitting down on the toilet? Some AFC was saying
"but what can I do about it?" Obviously, he won't stand up for
himself :)
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Divine (Daddy's little hypnoslut):
tgb*not entire name* said:
> Fucking what is beauty only isn't that a satisfying act
>because there has to be some sort of connection which can make minds
>become excited because there is this 'magical link' building which
>is the essence of passion. You won't deny that there has to be some
>of this to make your bedding with s.o. worth it, will you? There is
>no such thing as the dick or cunt who wouldn't get turned off by the
>(seeming?) mindless ass he confronts.
THAT is a very well put statement that exactly reflects my comments on
quality of encounter. The link between minds and personalities that is such
a necessary part of the interaction, otherwise it's just generic pussy (or
cock) # such and such.
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Halbster:
Bitch shields is a terrible, self defeating concept. The presupposition can
create resistance and bad attitudes where they might not otherwise exist. If
I was a woman and some guy approached me thinking I had a bitch shield I'd
certainly give him one. Many people, especially women have protective
filters or screens that they use, especially when strangers approach them. A
good example of this is when a bum/beggar approaches a person.
This is an important for women's safety. Women are also taught by society
that they should do this.
Once you recognize and appreciate this behavior then it becomes much easier
to get past. You can even laugh with them at this behavior.
An example of how this is done occurred when a friend of mine met a college
student. She was carrying several literature books with her. Another guy
approached her and she pretended that she could not speak English. After she
left my friend thanked her for a great laugh. He said it is really funny how
you were able to pull that off while holding those books. I'm going to have
to teach my sister that one because she gets hit on constantly.
With this simple statement he recognized her shield and it became something
they could laugh at together.
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TGB666:
Why are you guys so concerned about your age? Isn't it said that men grow
more interesting with age as women decay? I suppose that you can impress any
woman at any age by behaving classy. With class I mean that you project the
power of an alpha-animal without its struggling. Confidence. That, I think,
projects your part of "you get what you expect" in any situation. Not for a
second do you go into your weakness-frame. What we should never do is
presuppose,
remember? Grow old bold with class.
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TGB824:
> There are more than 100 million women in the USA. Given my expected
> life span, I have to shrink the pool of applicants.
I've heard that 100 thing oftentimes ago. Suppose it just doesn't matter.
> >There are women I know who are in their thirties who are constantly
> >getting hit on by younger men. Being thin and well-groomed helps them
> >but I think it is their receptivity and their ability to establish
> >rapport that keeps these guys coming around.
>
> In other words, they don't have bitch shields? :)
That's it! But what exactly is being hit on?
> > ... a more important factor I think is attitude
> > and openness.
> It's not a matter of shallowness, because that's a judgement not really
> even well supported by inference from the facts of the matter.
> It's a matter
> of these fellows doing what comes naturally, which is to get the most
> opportunities to reproduce with as many partners as possible. Only human,
> and really quite ordinary.
It boils down to get "use" from people. Aren't there those who one can only
talk with for no purpose of use otherwise?
> However, I find that alot of 30 year old females are looking for a
husband
> and a guys with money. This is a major turn off for an alpha male»,
> especially one who does not want to supplicate by spending money
> on a woman.
Cheers.
> On the topic of talking about talking, somethings often worth talking
> about are how talking about a change of mind can bring about that change
> of mind. Like, once a state of mind can be comprehended... brought into
> conscious awareness, it can also then be changed.
It's talking about mind, ready made mind.
The state of mind, or
> Women are very perceptive to state changes... both in themselves and in
> others. My own theory has something to do with breathing, umbilical cords
> and life force... yet whatever the reason, they are attuned to it. Maybe
> it's the [duck] inherent, nurturing nature of women.
You said it. That's what they're all about!
> (The plus being that once you have here liking you, you BECOME
> happy.)
Not necessarily true in all cases.
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Mystery:
(Commenting on : "Adam: I need advice.):
FINALLY, A MAN WITH A GOAL ORIENTED NATURE.
"I've really been perfecting my walk-up success. I'm getting a
phone number practically EVERY time I venture into downtown Austin for a 3
to
4 hour period of time."
THAT IS AWESOME. I PROMISE YOU HOWEVER, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO TAKE THE SAME 4
HOURS AND PULL ANYWHERE FROM 3 TO SEVEN (MY BEST NIGHT) FROM A 4 HOUR GAME.
"However, I'm running into an inordinate amount of women who have
absolutely no reservation about blowing off a "date" (for lack of a better
word, I.E.coffee meeting, hang out, etc...) No phone call cancellation. No
explanation. Nuthin'. And when there is a "post-meeting" explanation, it's
always some
bullshit, so I don't want to have anything further to do with them."
THIS IS CALLED 'BLURRING'. BLURRING OCCURS WHEN YOU CALL THEM UP AND THEY
FLUFF YOU OFF OR YOU GET THEIR MACHINES TOO MANY TIMES. I'VE DISCOVERED THAT
THE ERROR IS ON THE PART OF THE PUA STILL. DID YOU LAY DOWN YOUR GROUND
WORK BEFORE THE TWO OF YOU PARTED THAT FIRST MEETING? WE KNOW THAT ASKING TO
MEET FOR COFFEE OR ANY OTHER STEREOTYPICAL 'DATE' LIKE MEETING REALLY
DEFLATES THEIR WANTING TO SEE YOU AGAIN SO YOU NEED TO SET A SENSE OF
NATURAL URGENCY. MY SOLUTION: CALL THE VERY NEXT DAY (SPEAK AS IF YOU ARE
BEST FRIENDS) AND TELL HER YOU ARE DROPPING SOME SHIT OFF AT YOUR SISTER'S
AND COULD USE A CAR BUDDY TO KEEP YOU COMPANY. THAT WORKS THE BEST FOR ME
BECAUSE I'M IN CONTROL OF THE CAR, IT ISN'T A DATE, SOUNDS BENIGN, YET CAN
EXTEND TO A 'HEY YOU HUNGRY?' SHARED MEAL. ALSO, CONSIDER GIVING HER 'THE
PHONE RULES' BEFORE SHE LEAVES YOU THE NIGHT YOU MEET. CAN SOMEONE DIRECT
HIM TO MY PHONE RULES PLEASE?
"Is this just one of those number games where you've just gotta weed through
the 30% of women who flake (likely because they're hotties and used to
AFC's putting up with their shit?)"
YEP. BLURRING. IT'S A BITCH , EH? THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO IS TRY TO
MINIMIZE THE BLURRING. PHONE RULES HELPS. SO DOES INSTANT DATING (BRINGING
HER IMMEDIATELY TO ANOTHER PLACE THE SAME NIGHT YOU MET). SO DOES PASSIONATE
KISSING THE NIGHT YOU MET (RELATIONSHIPS THAT BEGIN PASSIONATELY LAST THE
LONGEST). DO YOUR BEST TO BEHAVE IMMEDIATELY LIKE BEST FRIENDS (IT TRICKS
THEM INTO TRUSTING YOU RIGHT AWAY) AND SET A SENSE OF URGENCY TO HER HAVING
TO SEE YOU SOON. LASTLY, NO MORE COFFEE DATES. IF THE WORD COFFEE
COMES OUT OF YOUR MOUTH, YOU FUCKED UP. WHEN I CALL A BUDDY UP (ONE I KNOW
WELL), I NEVER FIND MYSELF SAYING THE WORD COFFEE. COFFEE IS LIKE 'CAN I BUY
YOU A BEER?'
"P.S. Is there a nice way to say in advance, "If you fuck with my time and
stand me up, I'll be writing, 'Jenny is a child-molester!' on the bathroom
wall at your office!"
YES - IN A WAY - ITS THE PHONE RULES. HERE IS AN EXCERPT FROM MY BRAIN:
"WHEN I CALL YOU TOMORROW I DON'T WANT TO HEAR 'HELLO? MYSTERY WHO? WELL, I
HAVE SOMEONE ON THE OTHER LINE CAN YOU CALL BACK WHEN I'M DONE?' BE SURE I
WILL NOT CALL YOU BACK. INSTEAD, I'D PREFER TO HERE, 'OH MYSTERY! IT'S GREAT
TO HEAR FROM YOU. I REALLY WANT TO TALK BUT I HAVE ANOTHER LINE. I'LL BE OFF
IN 5 MINUTES SO IT'S JUST ME AND YOU, OK SWEETIE? WHAT'S YOUR #? OK, I'LL
CALL YOU RIGHT BACK' THEN YOU CALL ME BACK AND WE ARE HAPPY. IMAGINE IF YOU
WERE TO CALL ME AND I WAS ALL BORED THAT IT WAS YOU? YOU WOULDN'T LIKE THAT
WOULD YOU? WELL, YOU PRETEND TO BE EXCITED AND SO WILL I.... FAIR?"
"My Comment: To me it is clear that you aren't creating enough intense
interest. Or you could really be a man and lay out the rules
when you meet them (in a nice way) letting them know that respect is very
important for you and that people who x, y, or z (don't return calls, flake
on
meetings, etc.), are not people that you will get involved with in any
way. This is a problem we all face at one time or another, and comments and
ideas would be appreciated."
YOU ARE RIGHT ON THE BALL. THE ONLY TIME YOU CAN GIVE HER YOUR 'RESPECT
VALUES' IS DURING THE CLOSE. I USUALLY GIVE HER MY PHONE RULES WHILE
EXCHANGING #S. I TAKE HERS AND BEFORE I GIVE MINE TO HER, I HOLD IT IN FRONT
OF HER AND RECITE THE RULES. I END WITH 'FAIR?' IF SHE SAYS 'FAIR' BACK I
GIVE THEM AND KISS HER (ONLY ONE KISS ... NONE OF THIS EUROPEAN 2 KISS CHEEK
SHIT).
>>("That is precisely why I am against the
>>proverbial "I just wanted to say you're stunning....." opening line which
has
>>been brought up a few times in previous editions of this newsletter.
Saying
>>this to an HB is complete SUPPLICATING HORSESHIT!."):
>Good point! It sounds like a lot of people don't know how to use
>this line. When done right, you never, ever, say it to an HB. Use it
>on a 7 or 8.
WHY IS ANY SELF RESPECTING PUA LEARNING THE TACTICS NECESSARY TO CAPTURE
ANYTHING BELOW A 9? THE GAME IS DIF ON GIRLS LOWER THAN 9. WHY LEARN THE
TACTICS? WHY WASTE THE EFFORT?
>>A 9 is risky. A 10 is "No Fuckin' Way!" Also, when used to
>>best advantage, you pick a chyck who's a regular at the bar, club,
>>store, or whatever, and you use it just before you leave. Then,
>>there's no possibility that it's a pickup line (she thinks), so the NEXT
>>time you see her, all her defenses are down. It's a 5-second investment
that
>>can pay dividends later when you're ready to leave and try someplace
>>else.
>My Comment: I am sure many will react to your opinion with "But
>I can't tell a girl I think she's stunning unless I really think so, and
that
>means 9's & 10's." And I have to say that my experience has been that,
when
>that line works which is more often than not, it will work on all levels
>of women.
THERE ARE ONLY 2 TYPES OF GIRLS (ON THE BINARY SYSTEM) .... 0's and 1's.
MYSTERY'S AXIOM: "TREAT A SHB LIKE AN UG AND AN UG LIKE A SHB."
>Framing, Reframing and Preframing basically are changing the meaning of an
>situation, event or decision and changing the focal point of attention.
The
>ideas here are based on the site www.influenceatwork.com
ADMITTEDLY CREATIVE STUFF - BUT NOT ALL THAT USEFUL IN THE PUA. HERE IS WHY
... REFRAMING THE GIRL'S STATEMENT IS TO DO SO ON AN INTELLECTUAL LEVEL. WHY
WOULD ONE WANT TO LIST BENEFITS TO WHY SHE SHOULD BREAK HER 'NEVER GO WITH
SHORTER BOYS' RULE OR OTHERS WHEN YOU COULD BYPASS THIS ENTIRELY. ALL THESE
STATEMENTS AND REBUTTALS HAVING TO BE MEMORIZED. INSTEAD, IMAGINE JUST
REPLYING WITH THE 'EMOTIONS HAVE BEEN DESIGNED THROUGH MILLIONS OF YEARS AND
SERVE US' ROUTINE. (ASK CRAIG FOR THE FULL ROUTINE CAUSE I'M ON MY LAPTOP
AND DUNNO WHERE IT'S AT - HE SAW ME USE IT SUCCESSFULLY MORE THAN ONCE).
I WAS GOING TO TAKE THE TIME TO REPLY TO EACH SEGMENT OF THIS LENGTHY
DOCUMENT BUT BECAUSE MY IDEAS ARE THE SAME ON EACH, I'LL JUST FORM A
SYNOPSIS. EVERY SINGLE OBJECTION IS REBUTTALLED WITH A 'REASONING'. WHY USE
REASON ON A GIRL WHEN YOU CAN APPEAL TO HER EMOTIONS? FOR INSTANCE I'M ALOT
TALLER THAN MANY GIRLS. SOME GIRLS ARE CLEARLY A FOOT OR MORE BELOW ME. MY
SOLUTION IS NOT TO WAIT FOR THEM TO MENTION IT AND THEN REFRAME THEIR
OBJECTION. INSTEAD, I BRING IT UP FIRST.:
ME: I'M TALL. YOU'RE NOT. ARE YOU OVER IT YET OR DO YOU NEED ANOTHER MINUTE?
OTHER UNENLIGHTENED PEOPLE WILL NOT GET OVER IT AS EASILY AS YOU SO I'LL
GIVE YOU ANOTHER MINUTE. OK? GOOD.
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Stan Riser (Craig):
>Brother Angel:
>(Responding to Flyer: "That is precisely why I am against the proverbial
"I
>just wanted to say you're stunning....." opening line which has been
>brought
>up a few times in previous editions of this newsletter. Saying this to an
>HB
>is complete SUPPLICATING HORSESHIT!."):
>
>Good point! It sounds like a lot of people don't know how to use this
>line. When done right, you never, ever, say it to an HB. Use it on a
>7 or 8. A 9 is risky. A 10 is "No Fuckin' Way!" Also, when used to
>best advantage, you pick a chyck who's a regular at the bar, club,
>store, or whatever, and you use it just before you leave. Then, there's no
>possibility that it's a pickup line (she thinks), so the NEXT time you see
>her, all her defenses are down. It's a 5-second investment that can pay
>dividends later when you're ready to leave and try someplace else.
>
>My Comment: I am sure many will react to your opinion with "But I can't
>tell
>a girl I think she's stunning unless I really think so, and that means 9's
>&
>10's." And I have to say that my experience has been that, when that line
>works which is more often than not, it will work on all levels of women.
I have to agree with my man Cliff. This is a great line for almost any
LEVEL of woman, as long as it is used in the right situation. I have had
good results with, "Ya know I don't think that we would be right for each
other, but I just had to tell you that I think you are absolutely stunning."
and then walking away without an introduction or an explanation. I can
almost guarantee the girl will stop you 90% of the time. The only lines
that I've found to work on tens are Clifford's and Ross's lines (which are
similar) and Mystery's lines. Cliff I think you should repost the
"attractive men approaching attractive women" line cause its fuckin sweet!
My Comment: You mean the one that goes "I hear there are attractive men here
approaching attractive women and I just wanted to warn you because you never
know when something like this could happen to you...."?
Stan Riser (Continuing):
I am curious to know what lines Flyer and Brother Angel use on the super hot
women. And not to dog you guys, because you guys both post good material,
but I think there should be an unwritten rule on ANY list that if you dog
someone else's lines, approaches, attitudes, etc that you should post
something that you think is better. And to end this rant, is anyone else
sick of the older vs. younger women discussion?
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dj eclypz:
> >Adam:
> >I need advice.
> >I've really been perfecting my walk-up success. I'm getting a phone
>number
> >practically EVERY time I venture into downtown Austin for a 3 to 4 hour
> >period of time.
> >However, I'm running into an inordinate amount of women who have
>absolutely
> >no reservation about blowing off a "date" (for lack of a better word,
>I.E.
> >coffee meeting, hang out, etc...) No phone call cancellation. No
> >explanation. Nuthin'.
> >And when there is a "post-meeting" explanation, it's always some
>bullshit,
> >so I don't want to have anything further to do with them.
> >Is this just one of those number games where you've just gotta weed
>through
> >the 30% of women who flake (likely because they're hotties and used to
> >AFC's putting up with their shit?)
> >P.S. Is there a nice way to say in advance, "If you fuck with my time
and
> >stand me up, I'll be writing, 'Jenny is a child-molester!' on the
>bathroom
> >wall at your office!"
> >
> >My Comment: To me it is clear that you aren't creating enough intense
> >interest. Or you could really be a man and lay out the rules when you
>meet
> >them (in a nice way) letting them know that respect is very important
for
> >you and that people who x, y, or z (don't return calls, flake on
>meetings,
> >etc.), are not people that you will get involved with in any way. This
>is a
> >problem we all face at one time or another, and comments and ideas would
>be
> >appreciated.
Well Adam, let me say I've been there. Actually let me say I still am there
from time to time. I think I might have some advice that would help but let
me first rant for a second. I have been getting about two numbers a day.
Seeing how I work and go to school at a community college, I have ample
opportunities to meet women.
Sounds great right?
Well, not quite, I would say that eight or nine times out of ten I get a
flake. Hell, I even met this woman, and as I was walking away, she asked me
if I want her number. I said sure, she gave it to me. I haven't heard from
this girl since. After about three attempts to get a hold of her, she
finally answered and just gave me the weirdest vibe in the world!!!
Cliff, your advice is solid. We all have to look at what we're doing from
time to time and ask ourselves, are we getting the desired outcome, and
state from those we communicate with? I would also like to add though that
sometimes you just have to go with what you've got at the time.
Case scenario: You're at a party. Plenty of opportunity to talk with someone
and then do a take away as you go off and do your own thing, come back, and
fire off the anchor and build more intrigue, disappear for a while, so on
and so forth. In that case, rock on, you got not only her attention, but you
can show up again as if you left and came back. It's almost as if she's just
running into an old friend.
Case number 2 (the ones I usually run into): You're walking down the street,
a
woman passes, you turn around and introduce yourself, you chat for a minute,
get a bit deeper, and at that point you realize that she's on a mission so
to speak, and has things to do. Well, you prolly won't see this girl again,
so ... If you can get her to sit down and talk with you more that's great,
but what if YOU have things to do? Well, you tell her you gotta go, but it's
a shame you can't continue this conversation some other time, sometimes she
will say yeah it's a shame with a not so thrilled tonality, sometimes she
will say yeah I'd love to. You exchange numbers (sometimes she will give you
a
pager number!!!).
So, basically, there are sometimes where you just have to go for it.
Now, let's say you talk to her and set a time to get together, and she
flakes.
This happened to me a while ago. I ended up calling her, and this is what I
said:
ME:"Hey what's up?"
fluff for a few minutes acting as if everything is cool...
ME:"So...It's a shame we didn't get together the other night, it would have
been a good time."
HER:"Yeah, ummm I was meaning ummm to call...ummm"
ME:"Hey, I don't mean to interrupt, but I had an intuition about you I
wanted
to share."
Disclaimer---This contains bits of pieces from some of the great seducers
from the ss list, I will give credit if someone asks, otherwise consider it
a collage of different stuff.
HER:"What's that?"
ME:"Well, actually it's a gut feeling, and I hope I'm wrong about it, so let
me share it with you and see what you think. You see, I got this funny
feeling the other night that you took my name in your mind and tossed it in
a pile with names of losers you've met who only respect the physical side of
you."
HER:"Well, I have to admit, I didn't know what you wanted from me, I was
unsure. I dunno, I guess I sort of freaked out."
ME:"Well, you know what...If you and I were good friends, you would have
been
in deep shit (Laugh!!!!)But since I hardly even know you...Well...what can I
say? Shit happens I guess."
HER:"I'm sorry"
ME:"Don't apologize to me...Listen, Here's the deal. I asked you to join me
for coffee sometime and you decided to flake out on me. Well....that
opportunity has come and gone now...So I would like you to do yourself a
favor, okay?"
HER:"What's that?"
ME:"I'd like you to take all the time you need...In the next few days to
decide for yourself, for all the reasons that are true for you...Whether or
not this is something you really want. Whether hanging out with someone who
you can share your hopes and dreams with is something that you really want
to do. Take a moment to think about how much fun we could have together.
Now, when you do this, think of a time that would be good for you, and then
call me and let me know when it is. If I look at my schedule and realize it
works for me then I just might take you up on it. Is it a deal?"
HER:"Yeah..."
ME:"Alright well, I gotta go meet up with some friends, and take care of
some business (this is beautiful, I just love saying I have business to take
care of, nice and ambiguous), so I look forward to hearing from you."
I heard from her a couple of days later and we had a really great
time!!!!!!!!!!
So there it was in a nutshell. The basic idea is that sometimes it takes a
woman flaking on you to allow your powerful side to come through. I don't
want to say that women are trying to test you and see how you will react,
even though there are some that do. I'm just saying that you get a great
opportunity to reframe the situation if she does flake.
First you point out that she isn't a friend of yours. You hardly know
her!!! Talk about stealing a woman's frame. Then you take away the past
chance she had to see you..Awhh, man, she passed it up! Then you give her a
chance to ASK YOU OUT!!!!!
Make sure you do all of this in a powerful BUT PLAYFUL WAY! If you're bent
about the situation hang up, because it will come through!!!
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to these emails. The idea would be to get enough money in to hire someone to take
over the administrative work (and also to buy things which would improve this list, such
as proper mailing list software) for this list. If you were going to buy the product
anyway, just use the link that appears below and you are helping to keep this list going
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Cliff’s Comment: The following are all
recommended but clicking on the links and buying from them doesn’t send any money back
here (it is also recommended that the sponsors of these sites consider setting this up —
from the little experience I have had since I started the commercial section a couple of
weeks ago, I think you are missing a lot of business by not doing this):
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