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Dudes, Get a Clue: Being Mean vs Being Playful
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mASF post by "Style"
posted on: mASF forum: General Discussion newsgroup, January 1, 2003

I don't think a lot of posters here understand Cocky and Funny.
Reading some interminable transcripts of online "seductions" (it's not
a seduction if you don't * or !close her, or at the very least guys
get her f-ing phone number) , I see there's a distinction to be made



It is NOT Cocky/Funny to say she looks shitty, blatantly insult her,
or just in general be an ass. It IS good to structure challenges, be
hard to get, be unimpressed when she tries to impress you, call her on
her bs, and tease her like an older brother would. Or like the guy she
liked in sixth grade did. But a lot of you guys are only conveying
TOTAL IMMATURITY here. Man, I hate to see a lot of guys getting lead
down the wrong path here by MISUNDERSTANDING C/F and by
MISUNDERSTANDING "make the ho say no." I'm sure for some of you (let's
be honest), this stuff is making you WORSE with woman than men. Yeah,
you can talk with them longer and be less self-conscious and be in
control, good for you, but are you getting the closes?

Anyway, to clarify, this is cocky but NOT funny:
Kokanee694 : calm down retard
°×°×SeXy×°×° : shut up
Kokanee694 : nah, i like the sound of my own voice
Kokanee694 : are you always like this??????????
°×°×SeXy×°×° : yup 24/7

This is not being able to back up what you're saying and continue what
you start. When you're c/f, she'll throw it back at you, and you have
to have a better answer ready:

Sledge: yeah you like it when I'm mean to you..
HB: no I don't!
Sledge: you love me..
HB: do I?
HB: :$
Sledge: yeah.. I think so.. ;)
HB: or maybe it's the other way around?
Sledge: no..
HB: are you sure?
Sledge: yes..
HB: really?
Sledge: really..
HB: absolutely?
Sledge: do you have problems believing what I'm saying when you're
questioning me like that? [ON A SCALE OF 10, I GIVE THIS WAY-TOO-LATE
HB: yeah

Anyway, this, IMHO, is playful:

Style (with ice tongs in my hand): If I squeezed your neck with these
and made a mark, what would your husband think? Would he think some
guy gave you a hickey?
HB: I'd just tell him it was a dog.
Style: Okay, good come here then. (Start chasing her around with ice
HB: Ha ha stop etc.
Style: You know, why use ice tongs? Come here (trying to bite her

You don't want to INSULT her flat out: you want to give her comments
that are ambiguous and give you the upper hand. Like the Powerpuff
girl line. Or like the totally arrogant thing I always say, "You
[insert compliment here]. Congratulate yourself."

It's HARD to get away with online what you can in real life. After I
say something totally obnoxious, I'll do it with a smile and after
say, "Did I just say that out loud?" or something to that effect.
Like the poster here (forgot who, sorry) who told an HB, "Don't tell
me your wit is deserting you now, you wouldn't want to have to survive
on your looks alone." That works if SAID with the right attitude and
smile in the field. But a guy who doesn't get it will just end up
sounding like an insecure jerk.

IMHO, the IDEAL way to be is: push pull using C/F. In other words,
always keep them guessing. First pretend like they're hitting on you,
and THEN pretend like they're rejecting you. First, tease them about
something they're wearing, and then when they do it back say they're
mean and have really offending you. Do lots of things where you
qualify and then disqualify her. Make a relationship, then say it's
not working out. Get engaged, then break up. Never let them know where
you or they stand. I LOVE a good swordfight with an HB, esp when you
both fall in love with each other by the end.

Also, for some girls, c/F is enough in itself, but not for the REAL
prize HBs. IMHO, the RIGHT way to do this is to be cocky and funny
WHILE demonstrating value.

The problem IN THIS NG is that some guys are simply idolizing frequent
posters and trying to model what they write. You do NOT know that they
are getting laid. You do NOT know if they are good PUAs. You do NOT
know if you'd even enjoy sitting across a table from them. All you
know is what YOU experience in the field. TFM and the Lay Guide ARE
gold, a lot of the posts here are crap. And there IS gold to be found
in these posts too. So YOU have to see what really gets you RESULTS.
Not converations, but RESULTS. You NEED to be able to see, understand,
and respont do SOCIAL DYNAMICS. You need to calibrate, to watch and
read the person you are talking to. LOOK AT HER, WATCH HER, SEE HER
REACDTION. Don't be STUCK in your head trying to think of what
MATERIAL you just read online will work. Yes, sometimes the process of
seduction CAN be counter-intuitive and you are REMAKING a lot of your
old behavoirs and doing things you never thought of before. It's hard
to do this alone.

So what is the solution: TEST whatever you want, then see WHAT gets
the IOIs/results, and keep what works and THROW OUT what your FALSE
IDOLS tell you they are doing. Sometimes I'll actually PHYSICALLY do
an IOI test after I'm curious if my material is working. I'll say,
"Give me your hands." Then I hold my hands in air at shoulder level.
She puts her hands in mine. I squeeze gently. Does she squeeze back? I
let go but keep her hands on mine, then slowly lower my hands. Do her
hands follow mine? When I'm done, sometimes the HBs ask, "What was
that?" I'll say, "An IOI test." LOL. Who cares...

There is so much more I want to say here, so many more examples I want
to give, but in general: be THE man, be confident, not a little boy.
Seduce her, don't annoy her. Be cocky AND funny AND playful, don't be
mean (unless it's part of a push pull strategy).

Finally, anyone I've singled out: i'm just using you as random
examples. I actually enjoyed your posts. Congratulate yourselves...


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