mASF post by "chickjunkie"
posted on: mASF forum: Advanced Discussion, September 9, 2003On 9/10/03 5:47:00 AM, TylerDurden wrote:
>Some thoughts - hopefully
>helpful despite their absurd
>complexity.
>
>Distinction:
>
>C&F False disqualification.
>
>ACTUAL false disqualification.
>
>
>The C&F False disqualification
>is like busting her on her
>manneurisms. "I'm gay. This
>is my boyfriend. You can't to
>us, we're gay."
>
>Or she's giggling, and you say
>"Go away! Go away!", while
>doing the pushaway move that I
>described in the Tonguedown
>notes.
>
>Or saying "I would definetely
>NOT get along with this
>chick!" while the friends are
>laughing.
>
>Again, this is all C&F type
>stuff.
>
>It AMPLIFIES attraction at key
>points, because it
>pre-emptively disarms the
>natural cutoff mechanism that
>girls have when they feel
>themselves heating up to an
>uncomfortable buying
>temperature too quickly,
>before proceeding to game
>more.
>
>---
>
>OK so what's REAL false
>disqualication, and what is
>its purpose?
>
>There exists many social
>SUBCOMMUNICATIONS that convey
>social value.
>
>-breaking rapport
>-neutral to rapport
>-trying to gain rapport
>
>This goes on in social
>interactions all day long.
>Notice that the "coolest"
>people in the club venue are
>trying to break rapport with
>everyone. (They even wear
>sunglasses in a dark club, to
>convey that they are too cool
>and don't want to make eye
>contact with anyone).
>
>They roll in with their
>Cadillac SUV, hot chicks in
>tow, and don't talk to anyone
>in the whole club except maybe
>the people similar to them.
>YET, if they were to approach
>YOU or YOUR GROUP in the club,
>you'd chat THEM, despite that
>they'd blow you off.
>
>You'd chat them because they
>have high social value in that
>specific venue. People are
>DRAWN to interact with people
>of value, even if they're not
>attracted. If Bill Gates
>wanted to chat, would I? Yes.
>Even if it was about nothing
>that helped me whatsoever, I'd
>just do it for some reason.
>
>What Style is talking about
>here (which is a related to
>stuff I've discussed
>extensively on the Mystery
>Lounge), is that value
>re-adjustments may be
>necessary PRIOR to gaming.
>
>Gaming = emotionally arousing
>(pumping her through states in
>a way that keeps her happy,
>aka C&F, and many other ways)
>
>A girl can still CUT OFF who
>she allows to emotionally
>arouse her.
>
>VALUE / ATTRACTION are
>DISTINCT.
>
>Value is a FILTER to see if
>the girl will ALLOW you to
>attract her.
>
>Think to the REVERSE.
>
>Girls are aroused EMOTIONALLY
>(they purchase romance novels
>that are descriptive).
>
>Guys are aroused mostly
>VISUALLY and PHYSICALLY (they
>purchase porno and lapances).
>
>A fat girl approaches me, and
>starts touching me. She is
>arousing me because she is
>touching my legs with her
>hands. She is breathing on
>me. I'm feeling myself
>getting hard.
>
>Immediately I push her away
>from me, and CUT OFF what she
>is doing. Do I do this
>because I am INCAPABLE of
>deriving some pleasure from
>fucking her?
>
>No.
>
>Men fucked fat chicks for
>years, back when they were
>socially desirable (IOW: HAD
>VALUE). There's no biological
>reason for me not fucking her.
>It's just social.
>
>Similarly, girls emotionally
>cut off men from gaming them.
>They won't even acknowledge
>that you exist, or if they do,
>what you're saying is just
>cute or entertaining.
>
>Again, they are of high social
>value, and thus exhibit this
>by breaking rapport with
>people (both through verbal
>communications "why are you
>asking me this.. go away", and
>non-verbal subcommunications
>like turning away from you,
>not matching your facial
>expressions or excitement
>levels, not being responsive
>to your presence, etc)
>
>Value is established by:
>-OUTER APPEARANCE (genetics,
>grooming, and clothing
>subcommunications)
>-SOCIAL PROOF (both your
>entourage, the level to which
>the surrounding women are
>appearing to be unlocked to
>you (which is made obvious by
>things they subcommunicate as
>you are in the area, and girls
>pickup on this), and the level
>to which people treat you (ie:
>are they breaking rapport with
>you, being neutral to it, or
>trying to gain it)
>-ATTITUDE (bodylanguages and
>tonalities that you convey, by
>the words that you say and the
>way that you say it, and by
>the people who you interact
>with in a particular order and
>the way you interact with
>them)
>
>
>So with girls, you can open
>with a NEUTRAL OPINION OPENER,
>and this is NOT ENOUGH.
>
>Hence Style's "Neg First"
>post.
>
>This was derived from "JAP
>Busting I & II"
>
>You must break rapport,
>perhaps several times, prior
>to gaming. Girls will not
>ALLOW themselves to become
>emotionally heated (aka; for
>their buying temperature to
>increase) for someone who does
>not pass through their filter
>of VALUE.
>
>So what does that amount to in
>practical terms? Here's an
>example:
>
>
>TD: Hey guys, I need a female
>opinion.. Do girls think that
>the rockstar David Bowie is
>hot?
>HBS: I dunno..
>TD: Hey, you're cool.. You
>guys are smart.. You're from
>Long Island, I can tell..
>HBS: Hey, we're not from
>there..
>TD: Yeah OK.. ummm BYE (turns
>back)
>HBS: WTF?
>TD: hahaa.. OK remain calm..
>My friends little sister gets
>this poster of David Bowie on
>her wall. That is an OLD MAN..
>Do you guys like OLD MEN?!?!
>HBS: Why are you asking us
>this?
>TD: (looks at wingman like
>they are RETARDED and
>mumbles).... I'm talking.
>(turns back HARD, engages
>other set)
>HBS: What a jerk blah blah..
>TD: (turns around) hahhhaa,
>are you guys still talking
>about me?? haahhaa. (turns
>back)
>HBS: No, we're just saying
>blah blah
>TD: (now commencing NORMAL
>game) You guys are so cute..
>You know, I'm going to adopt
>you guys, you guys will be my
>new little sisters..
>
>
>This is a VALUE ADUSTMENT.
>Neg first. (I'd also game a
>high value set differently,
>but that's another story.. I'd
>use the same stuff, but at a
>different rate, direct it at
>different people, and also
>alot less of it)
>
>You do the SAME with UG
>THEORY. Try to gain rapport
>with them first.
>
>Value calibrations imply
>rapidly ascertaining what
>their perceived social value
>is, and matching it.
>
>Girls are typically only
>inclined to allow themselves
>to be gamed with someone of
>simliar value.
>
>There are exceptions however.
>
>TRUST
>ATTRACTION
>VALUE
>
>These three things are
>SUBCOMMUNICATED at all times.
>
>Some girls want guys with high
>value ONLY (NYC JAPs are like
>this, ChickJunkie's 10$ Opener
>is good for girls like this,
>although an NYC JAP would
>probably pull out her attack
>whistle if you tried it on
>them)
>
>Some girls value TRUST, which
>is subcommunicated through
>many things. Like when you
>see guys who are out with
>their girlfriends, and NEVER
>turn to face them. The girls
>always have to do the
>initiating. Some guys
>telegraph this, and it
>telegraphs trust. This is why
>simlar to girls who just want
>high value guys (like NYC
>Jewish American Princesses),
>some girls want to fuck gay
>guys and convert them. Queers
>subcommunicate feelings of
>trust so strong that some
>girls fall in love with them
>instantly. Weird - ask 10
>girls and 2 or 3 will answer
>you this.
>
>Some girls value ATTRACTION.
>These girls want the
>construction worker or badboy
>or the prejudicial racist
>stereotype of black guys.
>
>There are also piles of
>PROFILES for this that you can
>spot, and piles of
>subcommunications that you can
>learn (think "AMOG TACTICS"
>post - what do the out-alpha
>tactics subcommunicate, beyond
>their surface verbal level?)
>
>AN EXAMPLE OF VALUE:
>
>Sickboy007 and I want entrance
>into an exclusive club. We
>ont only want entrance, but we
>want if free and we want to be
>bumped to the front of the
>line.
>
>We do this all the time - I
>sit back and pretend to be a
>celeb. I say nothing,
>acknowledge nobody, and act
>aloof. Sickboy007 is my
>manager.
>
>Sickboy007: Hey, we're heading
>up to VIP.
>BOUNCER: Are you on the guest
>list?
>Sickboy007: You guys treat us
>really good here. Actually,
>we're going to need to bring
>in our friends tommorow, and
>we need it Saturday as well.
>BOUNCER: Are you guys
>celebrities? Who are you
>guys?
>Sickboy007: (pauses)
>BOUNCER: Hello?
>Sickboy007: Yeah, umm we'll
>definetely need that Saturday.
>I like you guys, you guys
>treat us good.
>BOUNCER: OK bring in you and
>your friend. Talk to the
>manager about Saturday and
>Sunday, I don't do that stuff.
>
>TD & Sickboy007 skip the line,
>free cover, admitted to VIP.
>
>Look at the subcommunications.
>He didn't answer the bouncer's
>quesitons directly. He barely
>looked the guy in the eyes.
>He didn't shift his body
>towards him. He didn't show
>any nervousness or regard for
>the bouncer's physical
>presence. He didn't even
>answer the quesitons with
>anything COHERENT.
>
>The bouncer is TRAINED to pick
>up on this behaviour, and
>admit high value guests.
>
>I'm not sure if this makes
>sense, but this is the
>behaviour we use in the pickup
>of high value girls.
>
>
>
>
>-TD
Hey, TD, good to see that you finally agree that having high value gets the
lay. I discovered that too when trying to get girls. Your method is different
from mine a bit, I guess mostly because of personality differences. I'm a more
serious type of guy and doing some of your routines would be incongruent to my
personality.
I'm a more suit and tie kind of guy, and you are more of a leather pants
hipster.
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