mASF post by "TylerDurden"
posted on: mASF forum: Advanced Discussion, November 11, 2002Question: When does pushing a chick come off as desperate?
Answer: It depends on your attitude, and how you're perceived by the chick in
question.
How you are perceived determines what you get away with.
An alpha guy can get away with SHIT jokes, and people will laugh. He can get
away with grabbing chicks, pushing chicks, making fun of chicks, and pretty
much ANYTHING THE FUCK ELSE he wants.
Here's are some examples from REAL LIFE:
EG#1)
The Mr. Popular alpha male of his grade is sitting beside a girl I know in
their science class. A movie is playing and its dark. He pulls out his dick,
and tells her "touch my finger".. she touches it, realizes its his dick, and
shreiks.. he's like "what.. it was just my finger".. and she shreiks and
giggles and looks all flushed.
She doesn't even have any interest in the guy, but because he's COCKY/FUNNY, he
not only gets away with PULLING HIS DICK OUT and TRICKING A GIRL INTO TOUCHING
IT, but he actually GAINS her interest by doing it.
Now if a BETA guy did that, he would be instantly EXPELLED, ridiculed, and
possibly CRIMINALLY CHARGED.
EG#2)
You guys read in many of my field reports, instances where I steal shit from
chicks and push them into change rooms in stores and all sorts of stuff like
that.
Now when I was at my Mystery Method workshop, I was initially learning the
method and C&Bed a few times in a row. It was getting to me, and for No9's
amusement, I steal a chick's drink who has been snubbing me. She gets angry,
freaks out, and says some shit to me and leaves. I look like a WEIRDO, and she
thinks that I'm FUCKED IN THE HEAD. If any guys were with her, she probably
would have told them to fuck me up or something.
Of course, I've done this SUCCESSFULLY more times than I can remember. So why
did it bomb this one time? Because I looked and in fact WAS being beta at the
time.
I realized I was fucking up, bounced back, and pulled off the maneuvre to
wicked success several times after that, realizing where I'd fucked up, and
taking measures to correct it.
I get away with ANYTHING like that normally, if I'm -ON-. But when I'm tired
and looking run down, if I do that stuff (often out of habit), I get the
OPPOSITE results than the ones I'm looking for.
EG#3)
A alpha type guy PUSHES and PUSHES and PUSHES a chick for sex, maybe a date,
whatever. The chick think's its funny, sexy, or cute.. often, she eventually
cracks and they fuck. Why did she fuck him? He was just so "confident".
Hollywood examples are Ben Affleck in the movie 'Pearl Harbour' when he picks
up the nurse, and Mel Gibson in the movie 'What women want' when he picks up
Marrisa Tomei.
A beta type guy does the same thing, and she CALLS THE POLICE and gets a
RESTRAINING ORDER. Why did she do that? He was "desperate" and his
desperation made him seem "scary".
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So why does this stuff happen?
Because if you are perceived as ALPHA, then its implicit that you can sex up
chicks on a regular basis.
So if you're doing this stuff, its just for FUN.
A beta type guy acting cocky/funny (such as the dick pullout trick) is
perceived as maybe going over the edge. (he either doesn't know his place in
the heirarchy, or is making a lame-ass attempt to pull one over, or is just
plain weird)
If he steals stuff from the chick as a joke, its perceived as him REALLY
STEALING shit from her, since he obviously wouldn't be trying to flirt with
her, since a beta type guy doesn't really flirt.
If he's PUSHY for sex, he comes off as ON THE EDGE and SCARY and maybe even
CRAZY or a RAPIST, since a beta type guy doesn't do stuff like that unless he's
losing it.
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Conclusion:
-If you're alpha, you get away with ANYTHING you want, and people rarely
question it.
-When you try this type of stuff, try to GAUGE how people are reacting to it..
do you sense that they're questioning it, or do they just think its funny and
cool? If you feel like its not working for you, try ADJUSTING your behaviour
in some way, and seeing if that works. You'll get it eventually, it just takes
time and experience.
TylerDurden
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