mASF post by "zarathustra_fi"
posted on: mASF forum: General Discussion newsgroup, July 7, 2005On 7/12/05 12:13:00 AM, Heisse wrote:
Heisse,
>Target: 29, East European. Her
>GF once said that she hooked
>up with 2 guys over a weekend.
If the GF made you aware of this in front of her and you so that is
evolutionary strategy from the GF to help her being Social Proofed and making
of herself the prize from the beginning. Also meant to make you jealous.
(snipped)
>Friday
>Last Friday she calls me says
>she’s glad I’m in town and
>invites me to an ethnic place
>which I asked her to show me
>several times. Her voice is
>low and soft. It turns out to
>be a hook-up bar.
>She tried to
>change the destination because
>her other male friend (whom
>she was once dating, IMHO)
>invited her elsewhere but I
>insisted on the original. She
>was 15 mins. late but I waited
>for her in the store not to
>waste time. Mild IOIs when we
>meet. On our way there
Why you go with her to a non isolated venue before the close?
>she
>tells me how two guys pretty
>much told her they love or
>fancy her to which I react
>nonchalantly. (Home-made
>social proof?). My general
>vibe was: it’s all good + I
>don’t care.
At this point you could have framed yourself as Secret Society by asking more
particulars about the guys and soon after sub-communicate yourself as player.
That would have helped to take her sexually no matter is she more or less
"Secret Society". Read my answer to OceanEyes in Relationship in the thread
"What one gets from a LTR?"
>She pays her cover and buys
>the first round for us, I buy
>the second round (no attempts
>to get $ from me). Then she
>tells me a story how she knows
>a married couple and goes to
>that place with each of them.
>She picks up guys with the
>girl and dances with the guy
>(AMOG) whom she presents as
>her BF, if needed.
Well this is like she would have given you a personal card with written in
it:"HBWathever - Player"
>I react
>non-chalantly, as if that’s
>OK.
>Later that guy shows up with
>his young boss, we shake
>hands, drink and hang out. The
>HB tells me that she’s cool if
>I go after some girl in the
>place. I don’t react.
This is also a shit test. You should go after the other girl in HER FRAME only
if she sucks your dick at the same time. You can even tell her this. I would.
Or you go after the other girl but ON YOUR TERMS not hers.
>Then
>later she forwards me AMOG’s
>boss’s words that I should PU
>some girl in the place. To
>which I say “Wow, that’s
>awesome, what would I do
>without advisors like that? I
>probably won’t even be able to
>cross the street and die hit
>by a car”. (Was this a test to
>see where she stood?).
I get the feelings that these people are horny about you and what you in for
some group sex..
Good reaction! You are being a challenge.
>Then we began dancing in quite
>a dirty fashion, I ran my
>hands all over her but didn’t
>escalate to kissing (was too
>stressed over school and my
>life now). That dancing lasted
>2 hours, she was riding my
>thigh, etc. In retrospect, I
>should have escalated then.
Hmm... let's say my instinct tells:"Escalated in Heisse's frame" would be ok.
But no in other people's frame.
(snipped)
>Later she started dancing with
>AMOG, I sat aside, danced with
>a couple of girls and chilled
>out on a couch. She came to me
>later and apologized for
>kissing the guy, to which I
>reacted “It’s all cool”.
Ahahahah.
Franco:"You naughty.. I play guitar. You come with the guy to my flat tonight?
You know.. I like to play Villa Lobos, you know Villa Lobos?" then KINO.
Like to tell her: "Come to my isolated venue and I fuck you in front of him"
>The
>guy was dancing with her and
>tounging her down. She says
>that she kisses him “because
>with him there are no
>complications”. (Pure sex, no
>commitment?).
YES. She is telling you:"I will let you fuck me only if no string attached".
From this you can even play her by being a tougher challenge than anyone else!
>Some time later
>I feel tired and I leave, I
>shake AMOG’s hand, I kiss her
>on the cheek, though it looked
>like she wanted on the lips.
Well if we take the tiredness away you let her in the indeterminate and were a
challenge for her. This is also lowering her value. How good self-esteem she
has will influence what happens after.
If she interpreted this like you not understanding her sub-communication you
may be OUT already at this stage.
>Saturday
>I call her to invite her to a
>night club, she wants to take
>a friend along, I make it
>impossible, she says she’d
>call if she wants. She
>apologized for kissing the
>AMOG on Friday “it’s that
>place, y’know” , to which I
>said “It’s all good”. I
>genuinely don’t care.
I think your mistake is to not sub-communicate to her that you want her into a
isolated venue ( I assume you invest energy because you want to fuck her? Or
are you only playing with her because you are sexually satisfied with others
right now? Or are you surprised about her behavior and have some SP?)
>We made
>definite plans for Sunday
>afternoon, she’d “show me her
>neighborhood”. She said that
>he put her into a cab and they
>drove home but “nothing
>happened”. I reacted calmly,
>I didn’t really care. I said
>that I was looking for
>something with no
>complications as well, but
>it’s hard to find.
Ok you sub-communicate yourself as Secret Society here.
>Sunday
>I slept late, I call her at 2
>p.m. to check for directions.
>HB: I wish you called me 30
>minutes earlier, John from the
>other state (who said he
>fancies her)called and offered
>to teach me driving.
Ahahah what a female player!
>I told
>him I didn’t know if you’d
>call or not so he’s driving to
>me now.
This is a HUGE SOI from her and at the same time a DOUBLE BIND.
This is for sure Messalina's unknown sister.
>Me: OK.
>HB: I’m sorry, I screwed up
>again (referring to the bar),
>I’ll make it up to you.
>Me: We’ll see. (I was sleepy
>and surprised that she changed
>plans like that so I was
>terse).
>HB: I’m so sorry, but I can
>show you my neighbourhood any
>day of the week, OK?
>Me: Alright, bye.
>HB: Sorry again
Okay you are putting her to chase you, that's nice! How long her horny state
for you will last??? Or is this a psycho who is only pretending to be horny to
cocktease all the guys she meets?
>We’ve had no contact since.
>Questions:
>What I want out of the situ:
>FB. She’s not worthy of
>anything more.
Well that's easy. Just fuck her on your terms when you want and keep her on her
toes.
>What is going on? As far as I
>can see, she’s a player.
And a very good one. Anyway to be sure about it you need to find out about
this:
- Is she REALLY having great sex with several guys or is she doing this game on
the mind level and only making out with guys? In the second case she could be a
sick cockteaser.
- Did she have long-term relationships before and maybe several relationships
at once?
- Is she having LTRs with AFCs, whom she controls and great fucks with the
others?
In a word you need to find out is she really a player or is she faking being a
player to cocktease you.
>Is she testing me to see if
>she I’m OK with her hookups
>and if I’ll be cool with an
>open, no-strings-attached
>relationship?
>What should be my next steps
>(besides using a condom)?
Call her to an isolated venue and show her the pics of the chicks you fucked
while kinoing her. If she is not a cock teaser (cock teasers are in my opinion
PSYCHOS, i.e. very sick women!) you simply have a FB especially if you succeed
in framing the whole interaction STRICTLY ON YOUR TERMS.
If you like having 3somes she is for sure in. When you sub-communicate about
the isolated venue if she tries to play you or if she comes to the venue and
start to cocktease you SHOW HER THE DOOR AND TELL HER TO GET BACK WHEN SHE IS
WISER.
Franco
http://www.franco-seduction.com
Online Seduction School for Single Men, Husbands & Players
"Sarge Est Necesse, Vivere Necesse Non Est " Gnaeus Pompeius, revised
|
