mASF post by "IN10SE"
posted on: mASF forum: General Discussion newsgroup, January 1, 2005On 1/22/05 8:31:00 PM, Wesmantooth wrote:
>Hey guys,
>
>I need some knowledge from the
>more experienced guys.
>
>Everything I've read so far
>advises waiting until the
>chick seeks Rapport before you
>do. I've written out a fairly
>basic structure which I try
>and use most nights I go out.
I wouldn't start out by seeking Rapport - thats what most guys try to do.
I would demonstrate value first.
Then draw her in through being interesting, intriguing, demonstrating that you
understand her, evoking strong emotions in her...
I will tend to indirectly seek rapport - in that while I'm learning about her
through things like the cube, cold reading (etc.) I'll say things like - "Hmmm,
you're pretty cool, I guess we can hang out"
So it's about me qualifying her. A friend of mine Swinggcat, is a master at
this approach. It's about making them feel like they're jumping through YOUR
hoops.
An approach that I'll use now is where I reverse the game entirely, and I make
the woman aware that she's chosen ME, because when your CHOSEN by a woman it's
an entirely different game. - so much easier. And even if they didn't initially
choose me, I have methods and reframes that make them think they HAVE.
I'll say it again, being CHOSEN (or reframing it so that that is the
perception) by a woman is NEXT LEVEL game and stuff that I cover in my book.
And I see you found my "hook points" post - good stuff. I got the initial
concept from another friend of mine (Style), and expanded it to all aspects of
the game.
>I'll have an opener and a
>bunch of routines I'll want to
>use for the night and maybe
>one extra thing that I will
>try out to push my comfort
>zone and see what will happen.
>
>When I wrote my structure I was reading
>a post call Hook Points by IN10SE with a
>reply by Loverboy, and based the whole
>thing around the three Hook Points they
>spoke about and what the chick would do
>once you passed them;
>
>1) The attraction hook point - basic
>IOIs, light kino, comes near you when
>you move away, qualifies to you
Attraction hook point is where they come to the self realization that they are
attracted to you. If I'm not getting past that attraction hook point initially,
I'll start talking about attraction, until by sheer NLP and self association,
and evoking the state of attraction (linking it to myself) I get them past that
point... then I'll quickly shift to comfort/rapport through interactive value
demonstrations. (The cube, cold reading, etc...) or actually elicit and evoke
the state of comfort by talking about relationships... (Not in relation to HER
per se, but just in general)
>2) The comfort hook point - reduce
>personal space, verbal connection, helps
>YOU anti-CB her friends, puppy dogs
>around you, accepts your isolation or
>OFFERS to isolate you / extraction, etc.
># closed?
This is just the ability to put them at ease. And they'll actually say to me,
"I feel so comfortable with you..." Then I know I'm past that hook point.
Again hook points are the best times to ISOLATE or change VENUES.
>
>3) The seduction hook point - really
>starts to kino you, verbal SOIs, sexual
>state...can be pre/post make out.
This is when you're alone at your/her place, making out on the couch and she
does something overt like grabs your crotch or says, "Let's go to the bedroom"
- then you know its ON.
>
>I did this so that when I noticed these
>IOIs in my sarges I could just drop
>whatever other material I was planning
>to go into and adjust accordingly to the
>chick's raising Buying Temperature.
>
>Now the thing is when sarging I'm
>completely relaxed and always have the
>'wait for rapport, wait for rapport
>before adjusting' in the back of my
>mind. It's not like my inner dialogue is
>saying this in my mind but after
>everything I've read it's like an
>automatic thing where I won't use a
>certain amount of material UNTIL I see
>these IOIs mentioned above.
It's about developing SOCIAL I.Q. Being able to calibrate and get out of your
head and into the other persons is where you'll find CONNECTION.
When you find this sense of connection it's almost magical... it's like being
fully in the moment... where you lose track of time, and you're just fully
immersed in this experience with this person... things just FLOW... and things
are just right... like they were meant to be... and you can see yourself with
this person... both now and in the future... connecting on every level...
(The above by the way is an example of how exactly I would be talking to a
woman about this... word for word, and by doing so evoking a sense of
connection with her.)
>
>Most of my sets run for about five to
>ten minutes. I'm having fun and the
>majority of the time, so are the girls.
>I can see their Buying Temperature
>rising but they NEVER seek Rapport with
>me.
I'm sure they do, but it is VERY subtle. I have had OVERT signs though - One
woman that I met, I DID notice that she had a ring on her left forth finger. I
talked to her anyway, did attraction game and went into rapport with her... all
under 5 minutes. She went to go to the bathroom and when she came back, the
ring was SWITCHED to her right hand. Now THAT'S an overt sign of interest. She
probably never knew that I picked up on that.
>I think I can read bodylanguage
>pretty well, working in a picture
>theatre for six years constantly serving
>customers did this for me I suppose. The
>girls always seem to be enjoying
>themselves, and it's like I made their
>night by coming and speaking to them.
>But they don't seek Rapport.
>
>So this got me to thinking that maybe
>instead of waiting for them to seek
>Rapport just keep an eye on Buying
>Temperature and Venue Change or Isolate
>accordingly.
>
>But I see another couple of
>possibilities also which I have just
>thought of;
>
>1) I am not displaying enough Value. I
>use the Best Friends IVD during set and
>am c&f in a good way.
Yes, demonstrating value is important, but is't also important to QUALIFY. You
should get into both Mystery's stuff and Swinggcat's stuff. (As well as my
own!)
>2) I face initially when opening. Arrgh!
>I just realised this. Maybe this is more
>of a problem then I first thought but
>the girls always seem cool and chill
>after a minute or so of me being there.
>
>When in set my bodylanguage is chilled
>out and relaxed, most of the time hands
>at my sides or one in my back pocket. I
>speak slowly and clearly, though I do
>need to work on my projection.
You're focusing on OUTER GAME - which comes naturally after you've fixed INNER
GAME. Although when you've built up OUTER GAME enough, it has a tendancy to
FEED BACK into INNER GAME». It's all related.
Several guys that I know personally have used this approach and continue to get
amazing results, like Tyler D. and Mystery.
Working from the INSIDE OUT versus from the OUTSIDE IN - both valid ways of
changing your current reality.
Imagine BEING the kind of guy that is naturally skilled with women, who knows
how to connect with them on DEEP levels... who can elicit and evoke strong
emotions within them... who can turn them on and give them what they need. Now
when you ARE this kind of guy, how you talk, walk, and how you hold your hands
will just come NATURALLY.
Do some homework - get out into the real world and see what works for you. Take
some courses (Mystery method», RSD) and buy some ebooks (Mine, Swinggcat,
Thundercat) and practice what you read in there in the real world.
Questions, Comments?
IN10SE
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