“Initiating approaches - angles, movements (long)” (by TylerDurden) | PUA Archive | alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniques

Here are the ways that I initiate approaches, off the top of my head.

Alright, I'll have a look at:

1) STANDARD GROUP 'ABOUT TO LEAVE' APPROACH
2) PLUNK DOWN APPROACH
3) 'C&F OBSERVATION' APPROACH
4) OPERATION MAYHEM KINO OPENER APPROACH
5) LOW-KEY FASCINATION APPROACH
6) APPROACHING WITH A WING

--------------------



1) STANDARD GROUP 'ABOUT TO LEAVE' APPROACH:

MM guys will recognize this. All this I learned from Mys. This is typically for
approaching GROUPS. I walk by, ask something (facing sideways), and PRETEND
like I'm leaving, and then say "I'll just sit down for a minute" (<-- KEY, if
it goes well, they NEVER care that you stay longer, and it TOTALLY disarms
their fears that you'll be weird when you sit down, since they think you're
leaving shortly)

This is very disarming. If I can, I'll ask a question over my shoulder, and
then start to walk off, make a comment on their reply, start to walk off again,
and finally act like their last comment was interesting, and say that I'm going
to sit down for a sec - or maybe slowly start to face them and engage them in
convo.

Basically, NEVER face them until they're started to face YOU FIRST. Then,
slowly lean from right foot to left again and again, and slowly turn yourself
to face them as they turn to face you.

ME (wearing my peacocked boots): "Guys, check out these boots, first
impressions??"
THEM: "astronaut?"
ME: "really, last girl said underwear model.. enough of you guys!"
-start to walk away
ME: "OK wait... if you were an astronaut, what planet would you travel to??..
Mars, cause that's most like earth, or would it be like Saturn, cause its got
the cool orbiting-ring???"
THEM: "Saturn.. totally Saturn.."
-start to walk away, turn back one last time
ME: No, wait.. it should TOTALLY be Mars.. cause that's got like those space
pools, and you could totally float through them, blah blah blah... and on the
trip, you could find all these insights about yourself.. like, check this out..
have you heard of the CUBE?? OK I just have a minute, but I can show you."

Also, if you approach chicks at a restaurant when you're sitting down, the
waitress will come in and ask you what you're ordering. You always say: "umm,
well me and my friend have to talk about some things, and we're sitting over
there, but we'll order over here.." Then you just don't move when it comes,
assuming its going well.

If there is a HOT 2set (both chicks smoking hot), then they are typically
UNOPENABLE. That means, use THIS approach, but do it on an ADJACENT set. Then
get TONS of attention and laughs, and MERGE the groups (either by them being
curious and coming over to check out what's going on, or make like you want a
BIGGER opinion on some FUN issue, and motion to one of the people in your group
to grab one of the chicks in the adjacent 2set so you can ask her as well..
This is often the ONLY way).



2) PLUNK DOWN APPROACH:

Best for lone girls sitting down, but can be used for groups. Basically the
"plunk down" approach. I'll walk up, and make it look like I'm utterly bored or
maybe even exasperated, and am willing to chat her so that she can AMUSE me -
IOW, that I'm going to emotionally leech off her. If I see a girl in a food
court or a cafeteria, I'll just PLUNK down (obviously sit down right at her
table, making no excuses for it), take a deep breath, and make some FUNNY
comment that shows I'm bored or tired, and taking a break to chat her purely to
amuse myself. Perhaps I'll make her listen to my problems or stories, or tease
her just for fun.. etc. etc..

When you initially sit down at her table or beside her on a bench or whatever,
she'll look at you funny of course. So when you sit down, you do it in semi
(not TOO MUCH, but make it obvious) exaggerated tired/or/fedup mode.

"That's it.. I can't even LOOK at another page of this fucking constructivism
paper.. alright, do you know any girls looking support me while I pursue a
singing career?? Seriously, I'm gonna start a new BOYBAND.. I've just
decided.." (make up funny group name PARTICULAR to you, and then break into
Kooper C&F Frames) "We'll be called the 'x-whatever-boys' You can tour with
us.. do you know how to be a manager?? No actually you look more like a
groupie.. yeah wait a sec, you're totally groupie material.. you are definetely
BAD.." Or ANYTHING that you can think of involves her supporting/helping you
(IE: your reason for approaching), since you're fed up with what you're doing,
and C&Fframe roleplay it out..

SIDENOTE: For some reason when you call girls "bad" it seems to crack them up..
again, I have no idea why, but it seems to have something to do with C&F
roleplaying, that they can imagine that they are "badgirls".. I remember one of
my GFs saying that she wanted to be like the evil Nazi blonde girl from 'Die
Hard 3'.



3) 'C&F OBSERVATION' APPROACH:

Basically, you just make a C&F observation on something, to make it look like
you are AMUSING YOURSELF. Again, this has to be COCKY funny, and not just a
joke, otherwise you can't play at all hard to get, since the power is in her
court. As with most C&F, this approach will often scare off any chick that has
LSE, or anything under a high calibre HB8.

Go in SEMI SIDEWAYS, and turn as she turns.

EXAMPLES:
-GROCERY STORE: pick up the cat food and say "this stuff is SO good".. she'll
laugh and make a look, and you say "I mean for my CAT.." and then do a
bodyturn-around takeaway where you turn your back to her and pretend that she's
too lame to talk to.

-CLOTHING STORE: put on a RIDICULOUS article of clothing, and pose in it.. ask
her what she thinks. If you're at a store with urban gear, pick the XXXL and
throw it on.. Tell her that you're going to be a rapper (break into C&F
frames).. Put on 4 watches on each arm, wear the hat sideways. Of try on
ANYTHING that clearly does not suit you. Like an old man shirt, and say "I'm
ready to hit the LINKS"

-CD STORE: pickup an Ashanti or Britney CD, and say "this is AWESOME".. she'll
look at you weird, and then you just crack up..

-CAMPUS STREET: Point to a guy walking (NOT a total loser who she will feel
sorry for, and think you're a jerk), and make a comment on him. "That guy over
there, that's my buddy...... OK listen, he's TOTALLY GAY, and he was just
saying that he LOVES those shoes you're wearing.. what kind are they??" She'll
reply "sketchers" or something.. Then WAVE at the guy and say 'what's up....'
point down very obviously at her shoes and say "sketchers", so that he'll nod
half laughing like 'WTF??'.. Now he'll give you that 'this guy is fucking
obnoxious' look, and the chick will pickup on it.. Then you say "see... totally
gay" with a FUCKED UP semi-smile and big eyes, where you're holding your face
pose for too long, so she'll wonder if you're joking or not and ask you.. Then
you use your C&F expressive mode, and keep the joke up.. When she asks you his
name, say with gay-accent, "ummm.. Roberto.. or wait, THAD". (this approach can
sometimes piss off certain girls, but ALL street approaches where you stop a
girl on the move have that possibility.. If you know of any that don't, post
them, cause I'm clueless)

ANYWHERE: Point at a "wigger/rapper/skateboarder" kid (kid with baggy jeans
that show his underwear), and say "plummer in training"... This is a decent
line, but its more in the C&F DELIVERY than the line. The David D "J-Lo is in
the house" or "what do you think?? 900 pounds??" is a similar approach. Just
make fun of something, so long as its harmless. It makes you look like the
jerk-alpha captain of the football team, that she dreamed about in high school.



4) OPERATION MAYHEM KINO OPENER APPROACH:

If you see a chick you like, throw snowball at her or drive your shopping cart
into her. Walk through her and give coy smile, or grab magazine out of her hand
and bop her on the head with it. As you bop her, smile and say "Cosmo?!?!
aaahfff/.. Loser!!"

You can be facing her directly, it doesn't matter.

A non-facing directly way would be to tap her on the WRONG shoulder, and laugh
at her while she tries to figure out who did it. "I can't believe that still
works!" (transition into childhood regressions, Kooper's C&F frames)



5) LOW-KEY FASCINATION APPROACH:

For lone girls. Good in LINEUPS, or BOOKSTORES. When you're beside her (because
of the line, or perhaps the book), go into Gunwitch type sexual state, so that
you appear kind of sophisticated. A little bit lower bedroom type tone, face
forward but turn your head sideways. You're both positioned in one direction,
but turn your heads towards eachother to talk.

Your PURPOSE for talking, is that you're thinking of something
FASCINATING/INTERESTING.

Comment on how fascinating something is. "I just saw the most fascinating
thing." If you're stuck, then go into Jamie Lee Curtis Opener, or Lord of the
Rings Opener. Better yet, comment on something in the CONTEXT, such as the book
that she's reading and how its fascinating, or how something relates to
something else.

A great one is to bullshit some kind of historical context to something that
you're looking at. If you're in a big American city, you can say that a famous
mobster got gunned down. If you're in Europe, you can bullshit some kind of
fascinating art-history reference, about some guy committing suicide over a
lost love or something.

If she doesn't buy it, then move into C&F style where you make fun of how you
B.S.'ed her and tease that she's gullible. -OR-, just shift into that ANYWAY,
regardless of whether she buys it or not.

Also if she's relaxed on a couch or something, just make a comment on how
relaxing something is.. If she stretches "it feels so good to have a good
stretch", etc... Its LOW-KEY shit, for LOW-KEY SITUATIONS where busting out all
obnoxious-like is inappropriate, and possibly not the way that she wants to be
approached given her mind-state.

Same goes for old Mystery line for the gym, "You know, I think that most people
here are probably thinking about like, how they're gonna get like this wicked
body.. or like.. maybe how they'll make a bunch of $$$.. what are YOU thinking
about?".... Its LOW KEY.

This is basically the format that GUNWITCH talks about, in "The Gunwitch
Method" text. He discusses doing PU at magazine racks, and this is how I
initiate GMW PUs, except perhaps with something even more neutral if its going
to be PURE GMW. (often, I use pure-neutral GMW, when I get that chick-radar
thing that FORMHANDLE was discussing, where the chick is subconsciously
inviting a PU).



6) APPROACHING WITH A WING:

When approaching with a wing, NEVER approach with BOTH PUAs. NEVER NEVER
NEVER.. OK, not NEVER.. but RARELY.

The SOLE way that I can think of for approaching 2 at a time, is as you're
walking by, start cracking up with your wing, and go "guys guys guys.. OK get
this.. we're debating.. this is MAAAAAD important!...........(wait for
intrigued/shocked look).... do you brush before floss, or floss before
brush???" ....... or you can say "guys, guys.. this guy is thinking of doing
something EXTREME.. he's gonna dye his hair TOTALLY BLONDE for TV... what's the
verdict???"... but that's only AS YOU'RE WALKING BY.. You can't approach
people huddled into their little AFC-club circles like that, and have it open
consistently.

Now that aside, the PROPER way to approach when you have a wing is to approach
ONE at a time, or barring that, to IMMEDIATELY FRACTIONATE.

That means, that one guy approaches, and after roughly 2-minutes, your buddy
walks up, leans his elbow on your shoulder, and says "what's up buddy??".. You
make it look like you're the two coolest guys in the world, and you're totally
the A-Crowd, and you're chatting eachother. Then, you fill in your wingman on
the convo, and get his opinion.

If you approach BOTH at the same time, IMMEDIATELY FRACTIONATE. That means
that one of the wings says "I'll be back in a bit.." and leaves.. THEN he comes
back.

In correspondence with No9, I asked him what he thought of this issue (given a
very funny fuckup that we'd had that previous weekend).. He wrote back:

"YES. 1 guy should approach, then the other drops in. PERIOD. That should be
our MO always. hell, they shouldn't even notice the two of us together until
the 2nd guy redezvous up. We will take turns approaching. They all know that
they are being gamed, but just like you can stroke a trapped rabbit so that's
its relaxed before you break its neck, you need to lead them on a gradual slope
where they forget .. just like when you're watching a really good movie, you
don't bust out thinking, "what is this shit? you can't get superpowers from a
radioactive spider." ....." (No9)


So as you can see, the prob with 2 guys approaching is that it has PREDATORY
written all over it, which at clubs is often detrimental.




TylerDurden